Contribution in action from collisions for a gas?
Contribution in action from collisions for a gas?
So if I write the action for a gas:
I suspect there is a constant term (which does not affect the equations of motion) for the gas (in classical mechanics). I was hoping to verify my ~~paper's idea ~~ (There is now an updated version see here) up to equation
Combining all the above subsections we derive a constant action term:
where
Is this expression correct?
K2-Think
The expression for the constant action term ( S_c ) provided is not correct, primarily due to dimensional inconsistencies and issues with how collision contributions to the action are modeled. Here's a breakdown:
1. Dimensional Analysis
The action ( S ) has units of energy × time (J·s). Let’s analyze the units of ( S_c ):
- ( N ): Dimensionless (count of particles).
- ( R ): Length...
GPT-5
Short answer: No. There is no universal, state‑independent “constant collision term” that should be added to the action of a classical gas. Collisions are already fully accounted for by the interparticle potential in the standard Lagrangian L = T − U, and any additive constant to L has no physical effect on the dynamics or thermodynamics.
Why a constant “collision action” does not arise
- Proper...
Claude 3.7 Sonnet
Evaluating the Constant Action Term for Gas Collisions
The question asks about the validity of a derived constant action term for a gas system that accounts for molecular collisions. Let me analyze this carefully.
Analysis of the Approach
The approach you've taken is interesting - attempting to derive a contribution to the action from finite-time collisions between gas molecules. Let me ex...
o3 Pro
Short answer
No. In classical mechanics there is no extra “collision-term’’ that must be added to the action of a gas.
If the molecules interact through a pair potential
V(r) = 0 for r > 2R
V(r) = ∞ for r ≤ 2R (hard spheres)
then along every admissible trajectory one always has r>2R, so V≡0 and the action of N particles is simpl...
DeepSeek R1
The action for a system is defined as: [ S = \int (T - U) dt ] where ( T ) is the total kinetic energy and ( U ) is the total potential energy.
The user's derived expression for the collision act...
Gemini 2.5 Pro
This is a very interesting and thought-provoking question. It delves into the fundamental connection between microscopic dynamics (described by the action) and macroscopic thermodynamics.
Let's break down your idea and analyze the expression for
The short answer is: **No, the expression for
Claude Opus 4
Looking at your derivation, I can see several issues with the proposed constant action term from collisions:
Conceptual Issues
- Action principles don't include collisions directly: In classical mechanics, the action integral is defined for smooth trajectories. Collisions represent discontinuities where the standard variational principle breaks down. The action formulation assumes differ...
o4 mini
A few remarks up front:
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In classical mechanics any constant piece in the Lagrangian L→L+C
does not change the equations of motion (it just adds an overall C · t to S, which drops out of δS=0). So whatever constant you pull out of the collision‐term will have no effect on the trajectories of your gas molecules. -
If you do go ahead and compute
S_c ≡ ∑₍collis...
o3
In classical mechanics the dynamical information of a gas that is made up of (N) point particles of masses (m_i) is contained in the Lagrangian
[ L({\mathbf r_i,\dot{\mathbf r}i});=;T-U ;=;\sum{i=1}^{N}\frac{m_i}{2}\dot{\mathbf r}i^{2} ;-;\sum{i<j}V(r_{ij}), \qquad r_{ij}=|\mathbf r_i-\mathbf r_j|. ]
The action is the time–integral of the Lagrangia...
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