Is the Bellman equation that uses sampling weighted by the Q values (instead of max) a contraction?
Is the Bellman equation that uses sampling weighted by the Q values (instead of max) a contraction?
It is proved that the Bellman update is a contraction (1).
Here is the Bellman update that is used for Q-Learning:
The proof of (\ref{1}) being contraction comes from one of the facts (the relevant one for the question) that max operation is non expansive; that is:
This is also proved in a lot of places and it is pretty intuitive.
Consider the following Bellman update:
where
Is this new Bellman operation still a contraction?
Is the SAMPLE operation non-expansive? It is, of course, possible to generate samples that will not satisfy equation (\ref{2}). I ask is it non-expansive in expectation?
My approach is:
Equivalently:
(\ref{4}) is true since:
But, I am not sure if proving (\ref{4}) proves the theorem. Do you think that this is a legit proof that (\ref{3}) is a contraction.
(If so; this would mean that stochastic policy q learning theoretically converges and we can have stochastic policies with regular q learning; and this is why I am interested.)
Both intuitive answers and mathematical proofs are welcome.
K2-Think
The Bellman update using sampling weighted by Q values (equation 3) is not guaranteed to be a contraction in expectation. Here's the detailed reasoning:
Key Background: Contraction Mappings in RL
The standard Q-learning update (equation 1) leverages the max operator, which is non-expansive. This property ensures that the Bellman operator ( T ) (defined as ( T(Q)(s,a) = r(s,a) + \gamma ...
GPT-5
Short answer: No. Replacing the max by “sampling with probability proportional to Q” does not give a non-expansive map, hence the corresponding Bellman operator is not a contraction in general (except in very special parameter ranges such as very small discount).
Why your inequality does not apply
- Your inequality |Eρ[f] − Eρ[g]| ≤ Eρ[|f − g|] holds only when the sampling distribution ρ is the s...
o3 Pro
No – replacing the max–operator by a “draw-an-action-with-probability proportional to its current Q value’’ destroys the
non-expansiveness that makes the usual Bellman optimality operator a
γ–contraction.
The idea looks harmless – we only average the Q values instead of
taking their maximum – but the weighting term itself depends on Q and
can amplify differences between two Q–tables.
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o4 mini
First, let us restate precisely what you are comparing:
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The optimality Bellman operator
(T⋆Q)(s,a) = R(s,a) + γ ∑{s′}P(s′|s,a) max{a′}Q(s′,a′)
is a γ‐contraction in the sup‐norm because
∥T⋆Q₁ − T⋆Q₂∥∞
= γ ∥max_a′Q₁(·,a′) − max_a′Q₂(·,a′)∥∞
≤ γ ∥Q₁ − Q₂∥∞. -
The policy‐evaluation Bellman operator for a fixed policy π
(T^πQ)(s...
o3
Notation
For one state–transition (s\rightarrow s^{\prime}) write the vector of the action-values in the
next state as
q = \bigl(Q(s',1),\ldots ,Q(s',n)\bigr)\in\mathbb R^{n}_{+}; .
With ordinary Q–learning we use
max(q)=\max_{i}q_i,
while in the rule you propose we first turn the vector itself into a probability distribution
π_q(i)=\dfrac{q_i}{\sum_{j}q_j}\qquad(i=1,\dots ,n)
and...
DeepSeek R1
Gemini 2.5 Pro
Excellent question. This gets to the heart of the convergence proofs for value-based reinforcement learning.
The short answer is no, the Bellman operator using a weighted sample is not a contraction in the max-norm (
Let's break down why.
1. Formalizing the Operator
First, let's formalize the operator you're proposing. ...
Claude 3.7 Sonnet
Understanding the Bellman Equation with Q-value Weighted Sampling
Your question investigates whether a modified Bellman update that uses sampling weighted by Q-values (instead of the max operation) is a contraction mapping, which would guarantee convergence.
The Issue with Your Proof Approach
Your inequality approach correctly shows:
Claude Opus 4
This is an interesting question about whether a modified Bellman operator that uses sampling instead of max remains a contraction. Let me analyze this carefully.
The Issue with Your Current Approach
Your proof attempt has a fundamental problem. You're trying to show:
However, this doesn't ...
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