Constructing an infinite chain of subfields of 'hyper' algebraic numbers?
Constructing an infinite chain of subfields of 'hyper' algebraic numbers?
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Let
Does this chain continue forever? That is, we let
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The chain of subfields continues indefinitely, each set strictly containing the previous. Here's the breakdown:
Main Question: Infinite Chain?
Yes, the chain ( A_0 \subsetneq A_1 \subsetneq A_2 \subsetneq \ldots ) continues forever.
- Base Case: ( A_0 = \mathbb{Q} ). ( A_1 = S_{\mathbb{Q}} ) includes all real algebraic numbers, which strictly contains ( \mathbb{Q} ) (e.g., ( \s...
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First, let me fix a small point about interpretation. For real exponents, x↦x^e is naturally defined on (0,∞) by x^e = exp(e ln x). For negative x the expression x^e is real only for restricted (typically rational) exponents. Nothing below hinges on the behavior at negative x, so you may safely read the statements as being made for positive real solutions.
- SQ is exactly the set of (real) algeb...
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Throughout let
S₍F₎ = { x ∈ ℝ : 0 = a₁x^{e₁}+⋯+aₙx^{eₙ} for some n≥1 with pair-wise different exponents eᵢ∈F and non–zero coefficients aᵢ∈F }.
Put A₀ = ℚ and A_{n+1}=S(A_{n}).
The question is whether the inclusions A₀⊊A₁⊊A₂⊊… stay proper for every finite n, whether every A_{n} is a field, and whether numbers such as e ever lie in one of the A_{n}.
- The first two steps
A₁ is exac...
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Here is what is known (and not known) about your tower
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Definitions. Let F⊆ℝ be any set and define S_F = { x>0 : there is a “generalized‐polynomial” 0 = ∑{i=1}^n a_i x^{e_i}, with a_i∈F{0}, e_i∈F distinct } In particular A_0 = ℚ, A{n+1} = S_{A_n}.
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S_F is a subfield (of the positive reals) as soon as F is a field.
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Specifically, ( S_F = \left{ x \in \mathbb{R} : \sum_{i=1}^n a_i x^{e_i} = 0 \text{ ...
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We write
S F = { x∈ℝ : ∑ i a i x e i = 0 for some n, a i ,e i ∈F, e i mutually different }.
Put A 0 =ℚ and A n+1 =S A n .
- The chain A 0 ⊂A 1 ⊂A 2 ⊂⋯ is strictly increasing.
• A 0 ⊂A 1 because √2 is the unique positive solution of x 2 −2=0, so √2∈A 1 \A 0 .
• Fix n≥1 and choose an irrational algebraic number β∈A n (for instance β=√2, which is already in A 1 ⊂A n ).
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Constructing an Infinite Chain of Subfields of 'Hyper' Algebraic Numbers
This question explores a fascinating recursive construction of sets that generalizes the concept of algebraic numbers.
Understanding the Setup
We start with a set
Gemini 2.5 Pro
An excellent and insightful question that touches upon the frontiers of transcendental number theory. Let's break down the components of your question.
Summary of the Answer
- Is
A_ialways a field? No.A_0 = \mathbb{Q}andA_1 = \mathbb{A}_\mathbb{R}(the real algebraic numbers) are fields. However, forn \ge 2,A_nis not known to be a field, and it is not expected to be one...
Claude Opus 4
This is a fascinating question about iterating a generalization of algebraic closure. Let me address your questions systematically.
Main Question: Does the chain continue forever?
Yes, the chain continues forever. Here's why:
For each
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