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What is the largest volume of a polyhedron whose skeleton has total length 1? Is it the regular triangular prism?

Posted on 3/1/2021
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Say that the perimeter of a polyhedron is the sum of its edge lengths. What is the maximum volume of a polyhedron with a unit perimeter? A reasonable first guess would be the regular tetrahedron of side length , with volume . However, the cube fares slightly better, at . After some experimentation, it seems that the triangular prism with all edges of length is optimal, at a volume of . I can prove that this is optimal among all prisms (the Cartesian product of any polygon with an interval) and that there is no way to cut off a small corner from the shape and improve it. Is the triangular prism the largest polyhedron with a fixed perimeter? I can prove a weak upper bound of on the volume of such a polyhedron, by combining the isoperimetric inequalities in both and dimensions (i.e., the fact that polygons cannot enclose more surface area than a circle and that a polyhedron cannot enclose more volume than a sphere of the same surface area) along with the observation that a single face of a polyhedron cannot take up the majority of its surface area. Note the number of leading zeros - this upper bound is a bit over times my lower bound! Edit: A friend of mine has confirmed with Mathematica that no polyhedron with or fewer vertices, or anything combinatorially equivalent to the triangular prism, improves on this bound. (With some work, this approach might be extended to all polyhedra on at most vertices, for on the order of to .)

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geometry
optimization
volume
calculus-of-variations
polyhedra
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Sep 18, 2025, 01:50 PM

The problem asks for the maximum volume of a polyhedron with a total edge length (perimeter) of 1. Through analysis of different polyhedral structures, including prisms, pyramids, deltahedrons, and Archimedean solids, it is found that prisms are particularly efficient for maximizing volume. Among prisms, the volume is maximized when the base is a regular polygon.

For a prism with an n-sided regu...

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Sep 2, 2025, 06:56 AM

Short answer: What you conjectured is almost certainly true, but, to the best of current knowledge, there is no published complete proof that the regular triangular prism maximizes the volume among all polyhedra with fixed total edge length. It is, however, optimal among prisms (Cartesian products of a polygon with an interval), and beats all the usual suspects (tetrahedron, cube, octahedron, squa...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

This is a fascinating optimization problem that combines geometry, calculus of variations, and discrete optimization. Let me analyze the current state of knowledge and provide some insights.

Current Results Summary

From your post, we have:

  • Regular tetrahedron (edge length 1/6): Volume ≈ 0.0005456
  • Cube (edge length 1/12): Volume ≈ 0.0005787
  • **Triangular prism (all edges 1/9): Volume ≈ 0....
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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

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Nobody knows the exact maximum. All that is known at the moment is

  1. a concrete lower bound, obtained from the regular triangular prism whose nine edges all have length (1/9):   (V_{\text{prism}}=\dfrac{\sqrt 3}{2916}\approx 5.94\times 10^{-4};)

  2. some rather crude general upper bounds – the best that has been written down so far seems to be the one you already gave, ...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Let P be any (convex) polyhedron whose total edge‐length (“perimeter”)

L(P)=∑_{e∈Edges(P)}|e|

is fixed to 1. We ask

Maximize V(P) subject to L(P)=1.

  1. Easy lower‐bounds by the Platonic solids (all of whose edges we rescale so that their total edge‐length is 1) give

– Regular tetrahedron: 6 edges ⇒ a=1/6 ⇒
V= a³/(6√2)=√2/2592≈0.0005456
– Cube: 12 edges ⇒ a=1/...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM
<think> I need to find the polyhedron with the largest volume given that the sum of its edge lengths is 1. The user mentions that a regular triangular prism with all edges of length 1/9 might be optimal, with a volume of about 0.00059398. They also provide some context and their own attempts.

First, I should recall that for a given surface area, the sphere has the maximum volume, but here it's ab...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Excellent question! This is a classic and surprisingly difficult unsolved problem in geometry. Your work so far is a great exploration of the problem, and your candidate shape is indeed a very strong one.

Let's break down the problem and what is known.

Summary of Your Findings

First, let's validate your calculations for the dimensionless ratio , where is the volume and is the...

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Polyhedron with Maximum Volume for a Fixed Perimeter

This question asks which polyhedron has the maximum volume when the sum of all edge lengths (the perimeter) equals 1.

Analysis of Known Results

Let me verify the volumes of the candidates mentioned:

  1. Regular tetrahedron: With 6 edges of length 1/6, the volume is: $V = \frac{\sqrt{2}}{12}(1/6)^3 = \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2592} \approx 0...
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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Let

  L(P)=∑e∈EP|e|

be the total length of the edges of a (convex) polyhedron P and let V(P) be its volume.
Because of the homogeneity of the two quantities we can, without loss of generality, fix L(P)=1 and try to maximise V(P).

  1. What is known

• Tetrahedra. If a tetrahedron has fixed total edge length the regular one is volume -maximal (Fejes–Tóth, 1949). For L=1 the regular tetra...

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