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Is the Dieudonne module actually a cohomology group?

Posted on 4/3/2016
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One often times thinks of the Dieudonne module of a -divisible group (say over , a perfect characteristic field) as being some sort of cohomology theory

This is supported by the famous observation of Mazur-Messing-Oda that if is an abelian variety, then

as -crystals.

There are two natural questions that come from this, in my opinion. First, can one make sense of as a crystalline cohomology group (in a literal sense) if 'comes from a scheme' (e.g. is the -torsion of some group scheme). I've asked this here as well as asking when (an -crystal) 'comes from a scheme'.

But, the other question, and the one I am asking here is the following. Is there some way to interpret the understanding of the Dieudonne module 'as cohomology' in a rigorous way? For example, is there a natural site over (perhaps with underlying category -divisible groups over ) such that is cohomology on this site? I would even be interested in knowing if there is a rigorous way of considering as a cohomology theory (in the Mazur-Messing-Oda setup it's ).

The obvious guess is to create a crystalline/infinitesimal site on , but I don't really know how to make this precise.

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arithmetic-geometry
crystalline-cohomology
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The Dieudonné module ( M(X) ) of a ( p )-divisible group ( X ) over a perfect field ( k ) of characteristic ( p ) can indeed be interpreted as a crystalline cohomology group in specific contexts, particularly when ( X ) arises from a scheme. Here's a structured explanation:

1. Mazur-Messing-Oda Result and Abelian Varieties

For an abelian variety ( A ) over ( k ), the ( p )-d...

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Yes. There is a completely rigorous (and standard) way to see the Dieudonné module of a p-divisible group as a cohomology group: it is an Ext^1 in the crystalline topos of the base.

Let S be a scheme on which p is locally nilpotent (e.g. S = Spec k for a perfect field k of characteristic p), and let G be a p-divisible group over S. Berthelot–Breen–Messing construct the (covariant) Dieudonné cryst...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

This is a very interesting question about the categorical/cohomological nature of the Dieudonné module functor. Let me address both the philosophical and technical aspects.

The Cohomological Interpretation

Yes, there are rigorous ways to interpret the Dieudonné module as a cohomology theory, though the situation is subtle.

1. The Crystalline Realization

The most direct approach is throu...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Yes – after one passes from the module to the (contravariant) Dieudonné crystal, the relation with “cohomology’’ is completely literal.
I will try to explain the precise statement, the construction, and how it specialises to the equalities of Mazur–Messing–Oda.

Notation.
S is a scheme on which p is locally nilpotent; if you prefer, take S = Spec k with k perfect of characteristic p. ...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

One way to see “Dieudonné‐modules are really cohomology” is to observe that Messing’s Dieudonné‐crystal is by definition an Ext–group in the crystalline topos of the base. I will sketch two (equivalent) points of view:

  1. The Ext–definition (Messing, BBM).
    Let S be a p‐adic base (say S=Spec k with k perfect of char p, or more generally any p‐nilpotent formal scheme) and let X→S be a p‐divis...
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<think> Okay, the user is asking whether the Dieudonné module can be rigorously interpreted as a cohomology group. They mention the Mazur-Messing-Oda result linking it to crystalline cohomology for abelian varieties but want a broader categorical framework.

Hmm, this is a deep question in arithmetic geometry. The user seems quite knowledgeable - they're referencing advanced concepts like F-cryst...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Yes. What is usually called “the Dieudonné module’’ of a (p)-divisible group is literally the value of a certain 1-st cohomology/Ext group on the crystalline site, and the classical formula
(M(A[p^{\infty}]);=;H ^1_{\rm crys}(A/W(k))) is only the special case in which the (p)-divisible group happens to be the (p)-power torsion of an abelian scheme.

Below is a concise description of t...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

This is an excellent question that gets to the heart of how modern arithmetic geometry views -adic cohomology theories. The short answer is yes, the Dieudonné module can be rigorously interpreted as a cohomology group, and this interpretation is a cornerstone of the theory. The key is to use the correct site, which turns out to be the log-crystalline site.

Let's break down how this wor...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Is the Dieudonné module actually a cohomology group?

This is an excellent question about the cohomological interpretation of Dieudonné modules.

Rigorous cohomological interpretations

There are indeed several ways to interpret the Dieudonné module cohomologically:

  1. Via crystalline site: For a -divisible group over a perfect field , one can define a crystalline site $\text{C...
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