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Status of the Euler characteristic in characteristic p

Posted on 7/7/2013
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In the introduction to the Asterisque 82-83 volume on `Caractérisque d'Euler-Poincaré, Verdier writes:

Enfin signalons que la situation en caractéristique positive est loin d'être aussi satisfaisante que dans le cas transcendant. On aimerait pouvoir disposer d'un groupe de Grothendieck `sauvage' des faisceaux constructibles tels que deux faisceaux ayant même rang et même comportement sauvage en chaque point aient même classe dans ce groupe de Grothendieck et tel que ce groupe soit foncteur covariant. Des resultats récents de Laumon donnent des indications dans ce sens. On aimerait aussi disposer d'une théorie des classes d'homologie de Chern qui sereait une transformation naturelle de ce groupe de Grothendieck sauvage dans les groupes d'homologie étale.

My question is:

Has the situation improved in the intervening 32 years?

I recall in detail below some background and ask some more precise questions.

For a map of complex algebraic varieties , one can define the pushforward of a constructible function :

This is a relative notion of Euler characteristic: is the function on whose value at is the Euler characteristic .

This notion is functorial: .

The (naively) analogous notion in characteristic is not functorial. The standard counterexample is the Artin-Schreier map

Note . On the other hand, taking the structure map, one has . The problem seems to be that the map is wildly ramified at infinity. The beginning of the above paragraph of Verdier is a request that this situation be remedied by introducing some intermediary between constructible sheaves and their stalkwise Euler characteristics which would record the possibility of wild ramification and thus be functorial under pushforward.

Is there now some such object?

The second part of Verdier's paragraph presumes that the answer to the question above is yes, and requests an analogue of Macpherson's Chern class transformation. Over , this is a natural transformation between the functors (covariant with respect to proper pushforward) which respectively assign to a variety its constructible functions and homology; it has the property that if is proper and smooth then .

Is there an analogue of the Macpherson Chern class transformation in characteristic ?

The Macpherson Chern class is defined in terms of something called the 'local Euler obstruction'. This is a constructible function attached to a variety which, roughly speaking, at a point records the virtual number of zeroes of any extension of the radial vector field from the boundary of ball around to its interior. (One passes to the Nash blowup in order to make sense of this vector field.)

The Euler obstruction enjoys the following hyperplane formula: locally embedding in a smooth variety , taking some sufficiently small ball , and a generic projection , one finds that is locally constant near . In other words, the Euler obstruction is annihilated by taking vanishing cycles with respect to a general linear function.

Is there an analogue of the local Euler obstruction in characteristic , and is it annihilated by taking vanishing cycles with respect to a general linear function?

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characteristic-p
characteristic-classes
euler-characteristics
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Sep 18, 2025, 01:50 PM

The situation regarding the Euler characteristic and related invariants in characteristic ( p ) has seen significant advancements since Verdier's remarks, particularly through developments in the theory of characteristic cycles and wild ramification. Here is a structured answer to the questions posed:

1. Existence of a "Wild" Grothendieck Group for Constructible Sheaves

Verdier called for...

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Short answer: yes—there has been substantial progress on all three fronts Verdier raised. There are now (i) a well‑behaved “wild” Grothendieck group for ℓ‑adic sheaves with functorial pushforward, (ii) sheaf‑theoretic characteristic/Chern class transformations landing in étale (Borel–Moore) homology that recover the smooth case, and (iii) a microlocal theory that both measures wild ramification an...

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(The notation ℓ always denotes a prime different from p and all schemes are of finite type over a perfect field k of characteristic p>0.)

  1. A “wild Grothendieck group’’ on which proper push-forward is defined

a. Curves (Laumon 1980–87).
For a smooth proper curve C and an ℓ–adic sheaf F one has χ_c(C,F)=rk(F)·χ_c(C,ℚ̄_ℓ) – Sw(F) , where Sw(F) is the (global...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Status of the Euler Characteristic in Characteristic p

This is an advanced question about developments in algebraic geometry over the past several decades, specifically regarding the behavior of Euler characteristics in positive characteristic. I'll address each part systematically.

Background Context

The question refers to Verdier's comments from the early 1980s about the unsatisfactory n...

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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Below is a sketch of what is and is not known today concerning Verdier’s two desiderata in positive characteristic.

  1. “A wild Grothendieck‐group of constructible sheaves with a functorial push‐forward, which on stalks remembers both the rank and the wild ramification.”
–  **Still open in general.**  The naive push‐forward of constructible functions fails (Artin–Schreier shows exa...
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Aug 1, 2025, 12:00 AM

Excellent question. This goes to the heart of some of the major developments in l-adic sheaf theory over the last few decades.

The short answer is: Yes, the situation has improved dramatically. The program envisioned by Verdier has been largely, and very successfully, carried out. The key objects and theories that answer his questions are now central to the field. The main architects of thi...

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Below I try to summarize what has happened since the appearance of Asterisque 82-83.
All schemes are of finite type over a perfect field k of characteristic p>0 ,
and “sheaf” means a constructible complex of ℓ ‑adic sheaves with ℓ ≠p.
Almost everything I mention has integral coefficients, but nothing changes if one replaces ℚ̄ℓ by ℚℓ.

  1. A “wild” Grothendieck group on which prope...
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<think> Okay, I need to tackle this question about the status of the Euler characteristic in characteristic p. The user has shared a MathOverflow question that references a 32-year-old comment by Verdier. Verdier pointed out that in positive characteristic, the situation isn't as good as in characteristic zero, especially regarding functoriality of pushforwards and Chern classes. The user wants to...
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This is an excellent question about the development of characteristic p analogues of important topological invariants. Let me address your questions systematically.

Current Status (as of 2023)

The situation has indeed improved considerably since Verdier's 1981 remarks, though a complete theory remains elusive. Here's the current state:

1. Wild Grothendieck Group

Partial Progress: Th...

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